Creating Layerables & Separates.

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Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by Zara » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:25 am

Creating Layerables & Separates.

Check out this tutorial: http://pixelpusher.us/learn_create_layers.html and if you haven't already, check out the rest of Keef's excellent site!

Once you've used it a few times to create layerables you'll understand how easy it is to manipulate meshes using these methods for other purposes.

Products vary quite a lot so while the method is the same, applying it in different ways can take practice. It can also be used to turn a dress into a skirt etc in some cases. There are far too many combinations to list here so if you get stuck, post the p.i.d. and what you are trying to achieve below, and I'll create a walkthrough for you.
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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by EsReverniDrawrof » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:14 am

I have questions ( the answers are probably obvious, but I'm slow)-
In the example you said to change all the meshes in debug 1 to the ones you want visible, and debug 2 to 93 and 94... How do I know which gets a 93 and which gets a 94, like the first few are 93, and at least throw a 94 in there, or? ( I'm so sorry I can't word this better)
And why 93 and 94 ( and 83 and 84)- what are those numbers? Is there a set like 73 and 74 that are used for something?
I think I better go make some coffee...

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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by Zara » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:01 am

EsReverniDrawrof wrote:
Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:14 am
I have questions ( the answers are probably obvious, but I'm slow)-
In the example you said to change all the meshes in debug 1 to the ones you want visible, and debug 2 to 93 and 94... How do I know which gets a 93 and which gets a 94, like the first few are 93, and at least throw a 94 in there, or? ( I'm so sorry I can't word this better)
And why 93 and 94 ( and 83 and 84)- what are those numbers? Is there a set like 73 and 74 that are used for something?
The meshes are changed under the mesh tab using the XMF drop down, not in Debug 1. For this method the numbers are changed in Debug 2 only.

The example used a dress mesh where 93 and 94 were used as the example parts to keep while removing the rest. Those numbers aren't fixed they are dependant on the mesh used.

In the example putting 93 or 94 in place of another number makes it disappear, it doesn't matter which you use as long as it's one of the ones you want to keep.

The best way to understand is to open that particular product in Create Mode. Perform each step slowly and see what it does. Once you understand what happened and why for each step then you'll be able to apply the process to a different product that has it's own set of numbers.

The numbers are called "mesh channel i.d.s". There are 100 available (0 - 99) and two products that use the same number cannot be worn together.

Although there is no standard guide (except for the 0 - 9 default avatar bodyparts) I follow this one that was proposed many years ago in the forums:

0. Head
1. Hair
2. Upper Body
3. Right Hand
4. Left Hand
5. Pelvis
6. Right Leg
7. Left Leg
8. Right Foot
9. Left Foot
11 = left earlobe products
12 = right earlobe products
13 = both earlobe products
14 = forehead products (tiara, ring of flowers, hair clip)
15 - top of head products (hats)
16 = hair extension
(??? more products attached to the head ???)
20 = left shoulder products (shoulder armor, armbands)
21 = right shoulder products
22 = both shoulder products
23 = left hand non-held products (gloves)
24 = right hand non-held products
25 = both hand non-held products
26 = left hand held products (sword, ball, etc.)
27 = right hand held products
28 = both hands, held-held products
29 = left pinky finger
30 = left ring finger
31 = left middling finger
32-33 = gloves
34-35 = sleeves
36-39 other rings
40-49 ''
50-59 skirts, belts, bows, etc
60-69 garters etc
70-79 ''
80-89 heels, anklets
90-99 ''


Although it is more of a guide for meshers when they initially upload a product it can help you to decide which to use if your layerable is clashing with something else. :)
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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by EsReverniDrawrof » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:17 pm

Thanks for explaining all of that. I did as you suggested, and now it makes sense. You're right, "hands on" usage made the difference.

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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by Roy » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:27 pm

Zara wrote:
Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:01 am
EsReverniDrawrof wrote:
Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:14 am
I have questions ( the answers are probably obvious, but I'm slow)-
In the example you said to change all the meshes in debug 1 to the ones you want visible, and debug 2 to 93 and 94... How do I know which gets a 93 and which gets a 94, like the first few are 93, and at least throw a 94 in there, or? ( I'm so sorry I can't word this better)
And why 93 and 94 ( and 83 and 84)- what are those numbers? Is there a set like 73 and 74 that are used for something?
The meshes are changed under the mesh tab using the XMF drop down, not in Debug 1. For this method the numbers are changed in Debug 2 only.

The example used a dress mesh where 93 and 94 were used as the example parts to keep while removing the rest. Those numbers aren't fixed they are dependant on the mesh used.

In the example putting 93 or 94 in place of another number makes it disappear, it doesn't matter which you use as long as it's one of the ones you want to keep.

The best way to understand is to open that particular product in Create Mode. Perform each step slowly and see what it does. Once you understand what happened and why for each step then you'll be able to apply the process to a different product that has it's own set of numbers.

The numbers are called "mesh channel i.d.s". There are 100 available (0 - 99) and two products that use the same number cannot be worn together.

Although there is no standard guide (except for the 0 - 9 default avatar bodyparts) I follow this one that was proposed many years ago in the forums:

0. Head
1. Hair
2. Upper Body
3. Right Hand
4. Left Hand
5. Pelvis
6. Right Leg
7. Left Leg
8. Right Foot
9. Left Foot
11 = left earlobe products
12 = right earlobe products
13 = both earlobe products
14 = forehead products (tiara, ring of flowers, hair clip)
15 - top of head products (hats)
16 = hair extension
(??? more products attached to the head ???)
20 = left shoulder products (shoulder armor, armbands)
21 = right shoulder products
22 = both shoulder products
23 = left hand non-held products (gloves)
24 = right hand non-held products
25 = both hand non-held products
26 = left hand held products (sword, ball, etc.)
27 = right hand held products
28 = both hands, held-held products
29 = left pinky finger
30 = left ring finger
31 = left middling finger
32-33 = gloves
34-35 = sleeves
36-39 other rings
40-49 ''
50-59 skirts, belts, bows, etc
60-69 garters etc
70-79 ''
80-89 heels, anklets
90-99 ''


Although it is more of a guide for meshers when they initially upload a product it can help you to decide which to use if your layerable is clashing with something else. :)
Oooo I like an idea of a guide like that...jeez...I never saw it in the IMVU forums.

you can go into debug 02 and change things to go BEYOND 99 (some immediately crash the client)

I find a lot of "resizers" are around the 100+ but it depends on who made the resizer.

(Also, you wrote left "middling" finger..you might have meant been thinking meddling :lol: )
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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by Zara » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:12 am

Roy wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:27 pm
you can go into debug 02 and change things to go BEYOND 99 (some immediately crash the client)
You can in fact use 0 - 199, but it's at your own risk, if IMVU ever decide to enforce the 0 - 100 rule then you'll have some product editing to do.
200 and above are the figures that crash Create Mode.

Roy wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:27 pm
(Also, you wrote left "middling" finger..you might have meant been thinking meddling :lol: )
I didn't write the guide, it was a user called SSharonX who amalgamated suggestions from Mercuria and Nerseus. So you can blame Dan (Nerseus) for that! :mrgreen:

Merc's original thread here: http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php ... sc&start=0 (But not for much longer) :|
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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by Roy » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:30 am

Zara wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:12 am
Roy wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:27 pm
you can go into debug 02 and change things to go BEYOND 99 (some immediately crash the client)
You can in fact use 0 - 199, but it's at your own risk, if IMVU ever decide to enforce the 0 - 100 rule then you'll have some product editing to do.
200 and above are the figures that crash Create Mode.
I know someone that uses some channels in the 400's....mostly figured them out by trial and error. I have a couple in the 300's too that I did in the same method when he taught me how (now I am wondering if it may cause other issues tho I have not encountered any as of yet).

Now I kind of want to try to list all of the "beyonds" that work and which crash.

I use "beyonds" usually when I add a little portion of mesh when deriving from otehrs. Sometimes I want to add a bit more torso so I can cut a shirt to fit a different way, or sometimes little "fixes" where the original mesh bends in a way that "splits a seam" at the ankles, legs or w/e. (this has saved my life a few times because I get so far into a project than notice a little chunk of flesh missing. Before I used to have to scrap it and find another mesh)
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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by Zara » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:59 am

Roy wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:30 am
I use "beyonds" usually when I add a little portion of mesh when deriving from otehrs. Sometimes I want to add a bit more torso so I can cut a shirt to fit a different way, or sometimes little "fixes" where the original mesh bends in a way that "splits a seam" at the ankles, legs or w/e. (this has saved my life a few times because I get so far into a project than notice a little chunk of flesh missing. Before I used to have to scrap it and find another mesh)
Lmao, I thought it was just me that added odd polys to other people's meshes to fix them! :mrgreen:

Well I'll admit I assumed 200 was the limit simply because 199 worked and 200 would crash. I'd be interested to know what other "beyonds" work and how. Although like I said, you have to be prepared for future broken products and because editing derived items is now such a chore, I currently do everything I can to avoid using 99+ numbers.
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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by SirenaRoga » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:05 pm

@Zara, I use your tutorial all the time now! It's awesome!

Questions:
1. Is using it to remove some parts from a mesh (like beading or such) a waste of time or does that acutally help lower kbs (which is what I was thinking it would do)?

2. Similarly as above - for lower kb reasons, is there a way to remove unused bits from meshes that don't have as many pieces as the corset dress (right foot & left foot for example) that will actually lower kbs? For example, on this mesh (http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?pr ... d=31660998) is it possible to remove the fur?

Thanks!

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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by Zara » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:14 am

SirenaRoga wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:05 pm
@Zara, I use your tutorial all the time now! It's awesome!

Questions:
1. Is using it to remove some parts from a mesh (like beading or such) a waste of time or does that acutally help lower kbs (which is what I was thinking it would do)?

2. Similarly as above - for lower kb reasons, is there a way to remove unused bits from meshes that don't have as many pieces as the corset dress (right foot & left foot for example) that will actually lower kbs? For example, on this mesh (http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?pr ... d=31660998) is it possible to remove the fur?

Thanks!
Thanks Sirena! :)

You can never really lower kbs because the total amount of assets remains unchanged. Whatever the original mesher/submitter put in there stays in the background so to speak.

What this method can lower though is the risk of clashing with other products by reducing the number of mesh channels used up.

There may be some freaky IMVU occurrence where this method versus hiding with opacity/unticking bodypart i.d.s actually performs better in a chat room but to test that you would have to submit the same product twice modified in both ways.
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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by SirenaRoga » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:53 am

Great, thanks Zara :)

It is definitely very helpful with the clashing IDs issue.

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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by Muttonhead » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:14 pm

Thank you for that list, Zara! That will be super helpful in the future.
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Re: Creating Layerables & Separates.

Post by Angelskiss2007 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:13 am

Hey! :) I came by since Gaf reminded me to move my Layerables tutorial over here. Should I still move it if we have Keef's? The only difference is mine may have more pictures lol.
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